Because….Prosperity Is Multidimensional…
There's a raging debate going on amongst my marketing colleagues recently, but as near as I can tell - none of them have put this issue to their subscribers. So I thought today, I'd ask you to weigh in on the subject and give me your opinions - because for me, that's the one that counts most!
At issue here is the topic of Email Subject Lines…
We all know that IM is fiercely competitive and a lot of people are vying for your attention in your Inbox daily. So it seem that for many marketers, the gloves have come off and the subject lines have gotten more, um, shall we say… extreme?
Instead of simply being creative or compelling, some marketers have started using lines like:
You've got commission (…when you don't)
Here are your order details Sally (…when you haven't bought anything)
Hi Joe - RESPONSE REQUIRED (…when it's not an opt-in confirmation email)
And so on… I'm sure you've seen the ones I'm talking about.
Essentially, the email subject line is designed to trick you into opening it - or at the very least to make you think that opening the particular email is the second step in something you already initiated.
But here's were the debate gets interesting…
The marketers who have been using this (testing it, as they call it) are standing firm that it works. They are saying that once the email is opened, it is explained inside and that there is nothing deceitful about it. But their bigger argument is that it is increasing their open rates and that their subscribers are NOT complaining.
Hmmm, really?
This fascinates me, because I know with my own subscribers if I make one little oversight or typo - I get called on the carpet about it - and LOUDLY, at that! (And maybe you hold me to a higher standard - which is fine by me!)
But I can't even imagine what would happen if I sent an email saying "You've Got Commission," and my readers really don't. I feel like I'd be burned at the stake (and in my mind, rightfully so.)
You see, Greg and I have always had a standing principle - you send me an email saying I've got commission, you darn well better HAVE commission waiting for me or I am heading straight for the unsubscribe button. But years ago, use of that technique was few and far in between.
Now, it's more like the order of the day and it's got everyone talking, testing and pondering…
I am a member of several very large Skype chat groups that have a mixture of beginners and veterans alike, all chiming in on this debate. And some marketers who have been the most vocal about this issue have caved and in their own words, "gone to the dark side."
They've been steadfast in saying for awhile that they wouldn't resort to subject line trickery. But in frustration, desperation, (or for whatever other reasons I don't know) they've thrown up their hands and essentially said - "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em."
Why?
Because people (you - our very own subscribers) have been responding to it. You've been supporting the stats that this form of getting your attention and getting you to open our emails daily is working.
Which leaves those of us who ARE remaining steadfast with a lot of unopened emails (my self included). I mean, I'll be the first to admit, that open rates have dropped in the past 4 or 5 years since we've been online, and it's getting harder and harder to get the bountiful numbers of days gone by.
But still…
I'm going to state right here, right now… I want you to open every email I send! But I want you to do it because you know there's value inside!!!
I want you to look forward to what I have to share and know that I work hard to bring you my best. And I wouldn't do anything to you that I don't want someone doing to me - and that includes getting me to click on an email under false pretense.
In short - I want your trust and your loyalty - and I believe everything else will take care of itself.
But am I off base here? Is my Pollyanna, puritan underbelly showing? Do I get brownie points for being ethical - or am I foolishly leaving money on the table while others pass me by?
I think not! Then again… as they say, numbers don't lie.
But it's your turn to weigh in on this discussion, because I'm giving you the first opportunity I've seen anywhere for your voice to be heard on this topic of email subject lines.
(Although the bigger test is for you to simply NEVER miss opening one of my spectacular emails
- that way I'll know for sure that you are on my side of this debate LOL! )
SO NOW IT'S YOUR TURN TO COMMENT BELOW…
Thank you,
Stephanie
″ The Mulac Family Mission: Changing Lives With VIsion and Integrity
Zech Smith
June 6th, 2010 at 10:22 am
I recently did a survey of my subscriber base on what bugs them about internet marketers, and this was one of the big things!
Richard
June 6th, 2010 at 10:23 am
Hi Stephanie
When I get an email with thes subject lines I noe delete it immediately without even opening it. To me this is spam as it has no relevance to any action I have taken.
Most other emails get opened and whilst I may not click any links inside I will read them.
If someone says you hae commission and then tells you you need to join and promote something to get it I am not interested.
I personaly will never send out emails with these sort of subject lines.
Richard
Mike Paetzold
June 6th, 2010 at 10:24 am
Well for me they may be working for those marketers for open rates and yes I do open them but only long enough to find the unsubscribe link.
Has caused me to get a lot less email of late from some I have followed for a long time.
Open rates are down across the board and if people want to use those they are free to but they will not send them to me multiple times.
Cheryl
June 6th, 2010 at 10:25 am
Stephanie: You are so right on this subject. Your emails are opened because you do INDEED provide value and pertinent information. I, for one, enjoy reading yoru emails and seeing if there is anything I can use today. The myriad of emails i get from other marketers are full of false claims, false headlines and more products to buy, buy, buy. Having bought enough products in the past, I know now when most things are plainly hype and another way to get our money. Marketing on the Net is difficult and requires a very determined personality. Thank you for yoru honesty and the opportunity to respond.
Colleen W
June 6th, 2010 at 10:26 am
Thank you for addressing this, it was time. I get several of these types of emails each and every day. If the title says that "You Have Commissions Waiting" and then I open the email to discover that, in fact, there are no commissions waiting and it is a misleading promotional email for some product that the sender is selling, then I unsubscribe from the list.
Emails with misleading subject lines are not beneficial to the sender, irregardless of the email open rate, because the trust factor becomes an issue. You can no longer trust the sender because they misled you into believing that you had money coming when in reality, no commissions exist and they are just trying to sell you something using misleading tactics.
Jules
June 6th, 2010 at 10:27 am
Amen, Stephanie. I also head directly for the ubsubscribe link. Such subject lines are dishonest and lack integrity, something I look for, and find not much of these days. Thanks for bringing up the subject.
Jean
June 6th, 2010 at 10:27 am
Thank goodness - at last someone has voiced some common sense.
I absolutely HATE those e-mails and NEVER open them. Maybe, I'm just on too many lists, because I get them all the time and it makes it really easy for me to decide which ones to delete.
If the headlines were a bit more original, I may be tempted to open them.
(By the way - glad to learn you've got your life sorted out now after the water incident!)
Robert Taylor
June 6th, 2010 at 10:28 am
I am with you on this! I started seeing a lot of this stuff pop up in my mailbox lately and it just increases the time to sort through the junk. I would like mine to be an honest indication of what is inside. I get really tired of the marketing cleverness.
Deirdre
June 6th, 2010 at 10:28 am
Dear Stephanie,
I agree that e-mail subject headings should not be misleading. I have not recieved any e-mails matching your description but sometimes an e-mail will say something like "You're confirmed" or "Your download is ready" when in fact, the e-mail refers to a website where I can sign up for whatever is on offer, should I want.
The other thing I find a little annoying is when one opens an e-mail, it simply tells the reader to: "Download this now!" or "Check this out immediately!" or some other such sentence. One either has to 'check it out' by going to the website or delete the e-mail and possibly missing out on something useful.
Hope this is useful
Deirdre
Bruno
June 6th, 2010 at 10:29 am
Hey Stephanie
I really enjoyed reading your blog post.
The thing is about these subject lines is nothing really new. The time I have spent online marketing and a various places I visit, I have seen these subject lines. Its just a trend that come by and then once the subject lines are used and abused they have no choice but to go back.
They are not really new to marketing especially if you get spam mail about Viagra and the creativity they use to get the mail to your inbox.
Are these subject lines really "on the dark side" of marketing referred to by some marketers or are they just an old trend we seem to of ignored from the past?
Robert Honeyman
June 6th, 2010 at 10:33 am
Stephanie,
I agree with you and Greg. If you anyone sends me an email saying I have a commission, there better had be one waiting for me when I open it or it's straight down to the unsubscribe button !
Anyone who feels it's OK to resort to this kind of deception, and that's what it is regardless of whether it is all explained away once the email is opened or not, doesn't earn my trust. "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" mentality displays a lack of confidence in their own ability and the message they are trying to convey which won't get them subscribers.
I don't often comment on posts but this topic is one I feel strongly about.
Chuck Mullaney
June 6th, 2010 at 10:33 am
Yo Steph!
The only reason I haven't gone public with my strong opinion on this is because I've been overwhelmed lately.
I soooo agree with you and Greg on this!
The smartest thing I've ever done for my response rates as well as building trust and credibility with my subscribers is put my feet in their shoes and, if my assumption is correct; whether they open it or not doesn't change the fact that they now trust you a little less after this type of trick.
I get paypal payments and commission notifications daily just like you guys and this bends me out of shape when I receive an email with a false payment subject line. Can't imagine how bad that would suck if I was waiting for my first paypal payment!!
Whether they open your emails or not doesn't change the simple fact that you have just placed yourself in the wrong category in their heads!
To everyone doing this; thank you for making it much easier for me to shine with my subscribers! Appreciate the help!
Go Stephanie and Greg!
Respectfully,
Chuck
Jon
June 6th, 2010 at 10:34 am
I open those emails long enough to find the unsubscribe link.
June Campbell
June 6th, 2010 at 10:35 am
Personally, I dislike this deceiving subject lines. I usually don't take the time to complain, and I may not unsub immediately. However, I will unsub eventually when I get around to it. For sure, I lose respect for the marketer and I don't read any future emails. The marketers who say it works may be basing their belief on un-solid research. Please continue to be cr4edible. It's one of your strengths.
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Bruce
June 6th, 2010 at 10:40 am
Hey Stephie,
I think its Black Hat and should be considered SPAM! I have been tricked into opening a few in the past but now I DELETE ALL OF THEM ! On your side with this.
Bruce "The Golden Goose"
Dave Offen
June 6th, 2010 at 10:41 am
Hi Stephanie,
yes, Same as a few of the other guys, I open these messages, but only to hit the unsubscribe link.
When you are still at an early enough stage in your IM career to get excited about emails saying you have commissions, it is gut wrenching to open one to find it's a pitch to join the latest "big thing" that no-one has ever heard of, or cares about!
But, like Mike P, it has helped me to clear out my inbox of some of the dead wood!
Well done for speaking your mind…
Dave Offen
Martha
June 6th, 2010 at 10:43 am
HI Stephanie,
I don't open them, in fact I just look through my email and delete them. At first I use to open them but after a few emails with those subject lines I got smart and just deleted them. I don't use those types of subject lines either.
Scott Miller
June 6th, 2010 at 10:43 am
Hi Stephanie,
I totally agree that the deceptive subject lines are unethical and annoying.
The marketers using them are probably not getting complaints because trying to reply to their messages is useless and wastes the reader's time even more. I generally don't bother with unsubscribing, as that is even more of my time wasted, and I get a little satisfaction in knowing they're paying to have my name on their list even though I am deleting their messages unread after the first use of the deceptive subject line.
I do read your emails as you always provide value in them, and I applaud your ethics. Keep up the great work!
Scott
Andre Duvenage (Mister Generous)
June 6th, 2010 at 10:45 am
Hi Stephanie,
Using deceitful "Subject Lines" is exactly that "DECEITFUL".
I unsubscribe and block that "con-artist".
I don't do business with "con-artist"
Paul Teague
June 6th, 2010 at 10:47 am
Interesting post Stephanie
I think it's a balance … everybody wants to get their emails opened in what's a very busy marketplace and that requires inventiveness and creativity.
However, if it's deceptive … that's a different story!
Some people seem to send out those 'You've got commission' emails all the time, I'm surprised anybody opens their messages after getting caught by that a few times.
I think in all matters to do with business, you can't beat honesty and integrity, so I'm with you on that one.
I think that subscribers will only get caught out once and they won't let it happen again … the 'unsubscribe' link is always just a click away
Marilyn
June 6th, 2010 at 10:48 am
Hi Stephanie,
The 3 headlines you mention "I Just Hate" I like most others that have written you back, just delete them. My opinion is that I cannot justify even opening them when I know I have not purchased anything. So now you have it, I must say I learned to delete after too many were being sent this way, So delete I now do all of the time, regardless who they are from, I really don't care.
Marilyn
Martha
June 6th, 2010 at 10:48 am
HI Stephanie,
I don't like them, I just delete them though at first I would open them but then I got smart about them. Now I just look through my email and delete them. I would also never use them.
Chuck
June 6th, 2010 at 10:49 am
I HATE those subject lines and others that are similar. I unsubscribe to many of them. They may be getting open rates but are they getting conversions? I doubt it.
Nancy Ball
June 6th, 2010 at 10:49 am
These subject lines are deceitful and anyone who sends them should rethink their strategy. I personally don't like being deceived, i.e. you've got a commission, only to find out it's a sales pitch. IF there is a link to unsubscribe, I do so right away. Unfortunately, I also get these messages without the option to be removed. It's very frustrating and time consuming to filter through so many that come in on a daily basis. Excellent discussion!
Talker
June 6th, 2010 at 10:50 am
Hello Stephanie,
you are right on with the thoughts. While not active in online selling, have given thought to doing it.
Due to the numerous offers originally followed. wa tossed into email hell. Did read all that came. downloaded a lot of material. Noticed a trend. Picked rapidly which were phony balony. Those that were 'phony balony' get marked 'spam' quickly. Some may actually hit it BIG and now desire to sell you a method to also do it. Uh uh, may not happen, Some are indeed in the right place at the right time,and hit the jackpot. In the main it is just some wanting your money, selling a reworked sick selling formila.
Not comparing apples to oranges here. Was comparing crates of applea to crates of apples. So the showing of the 'bull' was an eye opener, for 'what' may work opposed to highly unlikely.
Do notice that you are not marked 'spam' or this comment would not be happening. Do believe that most want the truth regards online business.
Choices and decisions do have to be made, to keep vascillating gets one nowhere. Some monies will be spent and wasted. A few trial and error starts may be required before one see's progress. Far to many 'play' on emotions to hook you, which is sad, if one falls for it.
Still, there almost needs to be a couple of missteps, but if the seller of the material is on the up and up, they will or should assist one in making necessary corrections.
If I were to start, I would 'test' you, with a passion. Praise you for the good or BLAST you if my efforts to be online were intense, but your way was weak.
Hugs if you accept them.
Hitesh
June 6th, 2010 at 10:51 am
Hey Stepahnie!
I've NEVER needed to do this, noe do I think it is helpful. Yes, this trickery may get higher opens and even clicks (debatable), but the conversions will be lower either way.
Subject line trickery to me shows the intent of the list owner. The ones who use such trickery are looking at their subscribers as an ATM to be exploited…their thinking is 'what can I do to get more money out of them?'.
Meanwhile, the ones who treat their list well, with regular content and such don't ever need to resort to this sort of nonsense since their list trusts them to provide good content anyway.
All in all, I think this is actually a really good way to see whose lists you want to stay subscribed on
Sally Cevasco
June 6th, 2010 at 10:51 am
I agree whole heartedly on this one! I'm absolutely on EVERYONE'S list!
I receive hundreds of emails per day with every promotion/launch/IM offer there is.
It's insulting to receive emails with deceiving subject lines. I always delete them first!
When I email my list, I always make sure that the subject tells them why they should open the email. There's something of value inside!
Thanks for keeping it real.
Cheers!
Sally
RobertV
June 6th, 2010 at 10:53 am
I am glad to see that you use honest infomational subjects in your emails. I hate the deceptive subject lines, many of which you mentioned. I realize that the spam filter software has made it difficult to get messages to the recipients, but there are better ways to do it. Honest marketing is the best policy in the long run. Keep up the good work.
Bob
David Walker
June 6th, 2010 at 10:54 am
Hi Stephanie,
Well done for speaking out against these kinds of shenanigans! I hate the "commissions" type of subject lines because they are so misleading.
Unfortunately, I have recently received "commission" and "order" type emails from some respected marketers who claimed they'd never resort to such tactics. Very disappointing.
Like many other IMers, I have noticed a drop in my open rates but I am not going to resort to blatant lying to try and get a subscriber to open an email.
David
Michael Hamm
June 6th, 2010 at 10:55 am
I don't care how bad my open rate gets, "I ain't gonna do it".
Deceitful is deceitful, no matter how you look at it.
Stephanie
June 6th, 2010 at 10:57 am
Great comments and much appreciated everyone - keep 'em coming!
I usually try to reply to everyone who leaves a comment, but they're coming fast and furious - so a blanket "Thank You" to all!
Stephanie
Larry
June 6th, 2010 at 11:04 am
Every time I get one of these emails with the deceiving (deceitful?) subject lines, I immediately send a reply to the perpetrator asking them why they are lying to me!
Virtually NO ONE answers. And yes, I DO unsubscribe from these marketers. A few times I get back an email saying that I have to register for their "support" site. Makes no difference to me. I have already unsubscribed!!
Another thing I HATE are emails that say inside "free download" or "download now" or "I have already paid the $97 so you don't have to". They never tell you WHAT you are downloading. For all I know, they are sending me a virus or a trojan or, just as bad, a cookie so they benefit from a sale even if I don't order through their link.
I prefer HONEST marketers who tell me what they want from me. It is then my choice. If you don't tell me what you want, there is no choice, only one action - UNSUBSCRIBE!!
Larry
Scott Case
June 6th, 2010 at 11:04 am
Hey Stephanie,
I agree with you 10000%, the use of these type subject lines is not only EXTREMELY DECEITFUL but also against the can-spam act.
#2 from the The CAN-SPAM Act: A Compliance Guide for Business at http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/business/ecommerce/bus61.shtm
2. Don’t use deceptive subject lines. The subject line must accurately reflect the content of the message.
If you build a good relationship with your subscribers you DO NOT need to use deceptive subject lines. They will see it is from you and open it.
just my 2 cents
Scott
Jean
June 6th, 2010 at 11:05 am
Stephanie, I'm with you. They are deceitful and and annoying. The commission one never worked for me. But the response required and order details did work at first. But as time goes on they are becoming less effective and more annoying. Now I usually delete them immediately. Testing may have shown that these lines work, but I wonder if they are keeping their eyes on the stats. Please don't join the crowd on this one Stephanie.
The Wacky Gals
June 6th, 2010 at 11:06 am
Way to go, Stephanie… the "Wacky Gals" agree with you 150%!
- but if you're tied to that stake,
We've also discussed this at great length and noticed that it seems to be the "younger" marketers
who are using such deceptive practices, (then again, when you're over 50, most marketers ARE "younger":).
But guess that just goes to show how things change from generation to generation, and in some cases,
that's what's wrong with the world today.
We have long wondered why "success" in building a business has come to mean "deceptive and proud of it"
and while the tactic might work for some, aren't they really just in a "click war" to see how many clicks
they can milk out of their lists to deliver (in a mail "ad" swap) to other marketers?
We applaud you, Stephanie, for bringing this to the forefront and are equally pleased to see you aren't
leaning toward the "dark side" yourself. We too have been "burned at the stake" for maintaining and
protecting our own business model and customer relationships by the "other" marketers, where "in our
day" (oh my!), we would be EXPECTED to be held to a higher standard (AND applauded for it). Today, in
the current atmosphere, we are belittled and ostracized by other marketers when we don't do things the
way "they" think we should do them.
Either way, we're just glad to hear you take a stand and show your position on the matter…I guess
The Wacky Gang needs to do more blog posts like this themselves.
the fire is HOT underneath!
Thanks for a great post. We will definitely keep opening your emails.
Kathe and Denise
Sue Schlaiffer
June 6th, 2010 at 11:12 am
Hi Stephanie,
I agree with everything you said in your post, and I hate receiving these trick emails. I have had tons of them recently, eg 'your bill' or 'thank you for your payment' or 'claim your commission now' and all I have done is open the email and read it, then I delete it and unsubscribe! So if people just end up unsubscribing then what is the point of sending it out just to get a higher open rate! This practice should be shunned by all.
Regards,
Sue Schlaiffer.
Aaron A LaRiche
June 6th, 2010 at 11:12 am
Hi Steph!
I'm just gonna guess here, and say that those folks who use that style of misleading technique, may have increased open rates, but decreased conversions and sales.
This is supported by the fact that, for those who don't delete it automatically, they'll likely only open to see who it is that's playing games with them, and subsequently click that unsub link. (as some folks revealed above, in their responses) And still "with no complaining" as those marketers mentioned.
I personally feel as if this is not an open discussion for any true ethical, moral marketers. Just my opinion. And I surmise, that if I crawled over the legalese for spamming/spoofing/phishing laws, there might be a clear opinion there too. Of course, doing the research, as you are, is always wise. I'd be curious to here some further stats, and legit metrics, like what the content actually says, and who the heck the target recipients are that would, entertain that style of being marketed to.
Bottom line.. there are so many other creative ways to stay out of the trash folder, and have readership. So why resort to this desperate measure. If the message is that valuable and worth reading, a natural headline will be there for the taking.
Final point. If you have created raving fans on your lists, to begin with, then they look forward to your communications with anticipation of what's next anyway. Trust me.
So glad, that your post prompted me also, to respond and participate.
Thank you and thanks to all the other folks in the thread here
Always the Best,
Aaron A LaRiche
Mina
June 6th, 2010 at 11:13 am
You have established a reputation. The others are seeking still and unsure and letting the $$$$ talk they think. But when enough people get fooled and are tired of the tricking they will eventually quit and label all marketeers as…. (you fill in). Wish that were not true, but a lot of people still do not like to be tricked. Thanks for putting this out there. It needs to be stated more!
Pat Volk
June 6th, 2010 at 11:13 am
Lying (and that is what this is) skews reality. I hate lies and was taught as a child not to lie.It is wrong!
"When first you practice to deceive, oh what a tangled web you weave"( to quote Shakespeare). .I believe that lying is prohibited in the 10 commandents .It is false information given to people so that they will act for the benefit of the liar and to the detriment to the one lied to. .
Blake
June 6th, 2010 at 11:13 am
I am glad you posted this. Everyday I get about 300 emails from marketers. That includes the marketers that don't clear duplicates from their list's so they send me like 5-10 copies of the same email.
I am a very busy person and I don't have time to sift through all of them so the sublect line is everything as far as if it get's opened or deleted.
Most get deleted lately because fo this rediculous tactic… There may be good content in there and I might be missing out on something important, but If I do it is there fault for not giving me a clue as to what the email is really about in the subject line.
Your emails usually get opened because the subject lines are pretty clear and I thank you for that… I am predicting that like most annoying marketing fads this one will soon become ineffective soon as others start getting annoyed by it as well and just start doing mass deletes Like I have been doing….. Just my 2 cents worth…
Jeff Bode
June 6th, 2010 at 11:15 am
Wow Stephanie I totally agree… these deceitful tactics will hurt those list owners long term and I'm sure the effectiveness of them will drop any time now.
like you I'm sure I'd get a ton of emails if I used those type of subject lines, maybe the people using them don't care to even check or respond to any emails from their subscribers.
I'm glad I'm not the only one getting annoyed by this
Paull Hamilton
June 6th, 2010 at 11:15 am
Hi Stephanie, Thank God somebody of influence has bought this out into the public domain. I posted a "rant" on my own blog about this same subject last week, more for my own therapy than anything else =O)
There´s a sheep mentality amongst an awful lot of "Marketers". I put it down to a distinct lack of originality and blind laziness.
I know a lot of product owners supply their band of affiliates with "done it for you marketing kits" but, please, if they can´t even be bothered to take 5 minutes to rewrite a dammed email how do they expect to stand themselves out from the rest of the flock !
Paull
Kathe "wacky gal" Lucas
June 6th, 2010 at 11:18 am
Kudos to Scott for reminding us that IT'S AGAINST THE LAW! 'Nuff said…
And glad to see you're staying on the "light" side, girlfriend.
Barry
June 6th, 2010 at 11:22 am
I've skimmed the comments above with interest and as I suspected, the vast majority, if not all, are against it. I can easily think of ways of wording such an email so that, technically, it's not spam or deceitful.
But your list will reflect you and your ethos, so I am sure your list will reflect this. Therefore, I don't think the comments you get, including mine, are relevant here.
You talk of email trickery, but what about sales copy trickery? The use of 'false' scarcity, or power words can also be considered in this category. Can the crafting of headlines be included here? Looked at one way they are all about the manipulation of the potential customer.
And what about tweaking your copy to improve your sales?
Are these the manipulation of the reader or the optimization of your sales process? I think it's both to one degree or another.
I don't have any stats to back me up, so I'm going on intuition here. I think these titles will increase open rates, but I don't think that's important. As far as I'm concerned it's all about profits. So the question becomes, do these titles produce greater profits? I don't think they do, but I can be convinced otherwise by relevant stats.
If I am convinced otherwise, I don't know what I will do, but I can assure you of one thing, while I won't like it, I will seriously consider this method.
Dr Ed
June 6th, 2010 at 11:23 am
You are right on! I hate hustles of any kind and we get so many, which just take up needless room. Appreciate anyone willing to take a stand.
Rodger Hyatt
June 6th, 2010 at 11:25 am
For the longest time, preaching this in my adswap channel.. seems a losing battle.
Finally a couple weeks back, i went to the dark side.
Results were astounding! about 8 times the click rate than before.
It made me think… What the hell have I been doing? These people "want" to be tricked now?
The reality was simple though. All I was doing was fighting with a tool I should have never picked up.
It still bugs me kinda.. For me it aint all about what my readers want, but how i can sleep at night.
I make enough to not have to do this type of shit.. *asking for forgiveness*
I am sick of the extremely bad ones though.
Your Order Is Complete (#762AD102)
#Account Inquiry
grrr…
Thanks for starting thread Steph, and welcome back!
Rodger
Paidra Delayno
June 6th, 2010 at 11:25 am
As far as I'm concerned, marketers who use these subject lines consider me to be stupid. It's pretty much like the real estate add that makes the house for sale look far better then it is. Like when i go see the house i won't know the difference. Delete comes to mind when dealing with false adds and subject lines. i don't need to go any further then that because I already know the marketer is a BS artist.
Paidra
Micheal Savoie
June 6th, 2010 at 11:26 am
I was just telling my list about the same topic just last week… it is ridiculous to think you are building a relationship with someone when you are trying to trick them into reading your emails.
If you were to trick your boyfriend or girlfriend into going out with you, how easy would it be to get them to want to continue being with you? It is one of those slippery slopes that once you slide down it, you are begging for more trouble than it is worth.
I unsubscribe from everyone who uses tactics like that.
Micheal
Patrick Wooley
June 6th, 2010 at 11:37 am
Stephanie,
Excellent post and I agree with what has already been said. I open those just to unsubscribe. It's a shame people have to resort to those tactics to con people into opening their emails. Just goes to show how far a good relationship with your subscribers will go. Thanks again for the post and take care. Patrick
Susan Martin
June 6th, 2010 at 11:46 am
Hi Stephanie,
Personally I don't usually open emails with deceptive headlines … and I DO open almost all of yours!
Although those rare misleading ones I've opened had gone on in the usual manner — some, even, with an apology — it made me wonder what other underhanded tactics that marketer might employ. These people have been taken off my list of choice to purchase from. So … they're emails are getting opened (and tossed?) … Have their sales increased?
During product launches when inundated with the same pitch from a multitude of marketers, I choose who to purchase from not based on a bonus but on value I've received over the course of time. In my mind, I'm repaying those who have enhanced my knowledge base or provided valuable tools or resources by affording them a commission. Isn't that the whole purpose of having and cultivating a "list"?
Kudos to you … You might be leaving money on the table, but you haven't compromised your principles. The balance you've achieved has undoubtedly brought success — why rock the boat?
Susan Martin
Jules
June 6th, 2010 at 11:48 am
Amen. Dishonest,, fraudulent subject lines lead me to the unsubscribe link.
Thanks for bringing this up.
Ken Sar
June 6th, 2010 at 11:56 am
Hi Stephanie,
Someone has to do something about those deceiving email subject. I, for sure, not going to use it just to get my emails rate open by deceiving my subscribers. That is a no-no in my marketing strategy.
I don't believe we can do much about this. But those who use it will will later feels the pain of losing trust and credit worthiness.
Delete those deceiving email subject line as soon as you see it. Don't even bother to open it and I suggest you should unsubscribe from the list if you receive more than 3 deceiving email addresses from a particular marketer.
Hope this voice in my opinion as well,
Ken Sar
Bill
June 6th, 2010 at 11:58 am
I fully agree - these sort of subject lines are bordering on fraud (actually, when I think about it they've crossed that border). What makes it worse is that, having subscribed to a "newsletter", all that often arrives from those who adopt this type of marketing ploy is one pitch after another - with no 'news' at all.
I suspect that, in part, it's a price that's being paid for the large number of 'Giveaway' events that have grown over the past few years.
But it's not the only issue with emails:
There are those who don't clean their lists to remove duplicate email addresses - so that we get multiple copies of their news or product pitch. Then there are those whose email text tells us only that we've got to "click this link" for some great news - but don't say what the news topic is.
So, Stephanie, thank you for sticking with "honesty" and for providing useful content. If we're all very lucky, it'll be infectious.
Till then, may the unsub button be with you!
Bill
Chuck Baslock
June 6th, 2010 at 11:59 am
Hi Stephanie,
Totally agree!
Although I see them all, a couple that have been hitting me lately are:
"Notification of Payment Received from ….." or
"Your download is ready"
Just don't understand the marketer's mentality!
Thanks for the timely post..
Melissa
June 6th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
I have noticed a huge increase in those subjects lately. I sell products and some of the headlines made me believe I had sales and others made me believe I have an issue with a product. Others made me believe I had a bill. After I figured out what was going on, that these people were using such tactics to get me to open their email, I was furious. Any time I see an email come across with a deceitful header, I unsubscribe immediately! I don't care how long I've been a subscriber, all trust is out the window. You're suppose to build trust with your subscribers! They may think that this tactic is working, but as soon as subscribers start figuring out what's going on, I believe their subscribers will start dropping like flies. I for one will never buy anything from people using these deceitful tactics!
Sharon
June 6th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Hi Stephanie,
I definitely come down on your side on this issue…it is outright DECEPTION on the part of those marketers that resort to such online thuggery!
Its getting where you can't believe a DAMN thing when it comes to trying to sort out the whole online thing and I for one have had it up to HERE with the false subject lines. First I opened them (not thinking I had commission-ha!) because I actually thought there may have been some order detail I needed to confirm, as I buy a lot of stuff online.
Then EVERYBODY had order details for me to open up–I mean…COME ON!!! Online marketing is difficult -yes- but to succumb to such low deception to make a sale? I think it is utterly shameful and despicable!
On the other hand, you have proven your integrity to me long before now and I open your emails willingly and with anticipation.
Why can't those others do the same? Put in the work to show you're an honest person of integrity to gain the subscriber's trust - THEN one wouldn't have to resort to such online THUGGERY!
Thanks for letting me sound off on this increasingly irritating trend in email marketing.
Mort
June 6th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Greetings Stephanie.
Yes I fully agree with you on the internet marketers ethics subject. In fact I wrote my thoughts on the same subject only recently on my own blog above.
I think I possibly could name one of the instigators of the deceiving email subject line practice. I would say it is developing for about two years now.
And this kind of behaviour will definitely bring trouble for all decent internet marketers. and the ones that started this wrong doing will have their money made and do not care about others.
I am only now getting into internet marketing proper as I have dilly dallied for too long studying the subject and caught up with other distractions for some time.
But I know what is right and what is wrong vis a vis good practice in internet marketing. And before it is too late someone needs to head up a movement to bring steady and reliable respectability back to internet marketing.
I had been thinking of sounding out a number of internet marketing heads of the idea. We can all loose a lot in the future if there is not proper control brought to bear.
Good luck, Mort.
JT Martin
June 6th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Hi Stephanie,
They can sugar coat it all they want, but it comes down to being outright deception. I don't even like it when people use RE: when they know good and well that they are not responding to a thing.
I head straight for the unsubscribe button. I get way too many emails to put up with this kind of "tom foolery". Thank you Scott for pointing out that it is in fact illegal as well.
I feel that if you have to result to trickery then there may be something wrong with your business plan to begin with. There is no way you will build a lasting relationship with your client base using tactics like this.
I recently polled my subscribers because I was concerned about the number of emails that I was sending. I had started to do a lot of adswaps while still promoting a lot of giveaway events. I was sometimes sending multiple emails per day and wanted to know what my list thought about this.
The responses I got surprised me. The majority did not mind that I was sending a lot of emails as long as I wasn't bombarding them with sales promotions. They stated that they looked at who the email was "from" and that determined whether they opened it or not.
Something tells me that a few emails with those crappy subject lines would change that sentiment quickly. I must agree with you that being honest and straight forward is the best path to take.
JT
Gary Marsden
June 6th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
I open and drag the right scroll bar down so the unsub link is exposed and then say good bye to the marketer who sent the lie.
Lately I have noticed that this is being done by some that I truly thought were top notch marketers. That being the case I have sent an email asking why they went to such deplorable tactics to get a message read….
I have yet to receive a response….hmmm…seems as though guilt is in the air !!!!!
Patricia Sherman
June 6th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
I never open them and am in the process of unsubscribing to anyone who sends them to me.
Malcolm
June 6th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
you are right Steph, I am now In the process of deleting these email,If they got to Lie to you to get your attention, then they are totally Greedy or desperate, to me it is Spam
Richard Henry
June 6th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
Thanks Stephanie,you are so right. Being truthful is the only way to do things and I myself delete those emails that say I have commission when I know that I do not I won't even open them!!.
Barrie Dickman (aka barried)
June 6th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Hi Stephanie
You have just beaten me to it !
It is now time for us all to have a say in how Honestly and Ethically the business we are involved in is structured and policed. Unfortunately, the 'Gentlemanly' standards of doing business in the past will probably never be reinstated as the correct and proper way to conduct business on the Internet. Even so, I would hope and indeed expect that if we conducted a survey/poll amongst everyone involved in buying and selling products and business opportunities on the Internet, we would be given very strong backing to discuss, debate and create a set of standards for conducting business based on Honesty, Integrity and Transparency.
Misleading subject lines and untruthful promises are just the tip of the iceberg and I believe that many other practices, mostly committed by well off, established entrepreneurs confirms their Greed. We have all been victims - IT NEEDS TO STOP. We also need to regain the trust of the general public - they are the business owners and buyers of the future.
Johan
June 6th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Hi Stephanie,
All I want to add to this deceitful tactic is my own experience.
I sometimes remember where and when I subscribe to a list and delete any mails with subjects that I do not recognise within a certain timeframe.
If I subscribe now and I do not get confirmation within half an hour, there will be a good chance that followup emails get deleted without even opening them.
On top of this, I use a program (won't advertise it here) to pre-screen my emails before downloading it to my desktop. For some or other reason I decided to also delete emails when I receive more than one from the same sender (unless it is personal) in a certain time period.
Marketers do have to use any tactic possible but should not cry when the tactics backfire.
I will make it without these tactics…
Johan
Peter Davies
June 6th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
wow - some comments here. I'm totally with you on this one - one of the worst subject lines as you say is 'notification of payment received' making it look like a paypal payment when it blatantly isn't.
Any mails I get like this I hit the unsub or delete button.
You need to do things to get people to read your emails but the ocrrect way in my mind is to give them a positive reason to do this - not SPAM people with LIES.
Also it might be worth adding to that the amount of offers that will make you 40,000 $ per month if you sign up and follow a few steps. We know there is far too much BS in this game.
Great post by the way
Pete
Barrie Dickman (aka barried)
June 6th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
Hi Stephanie
You have just beaten me to it !
It is now time for us all to have a say in how Honestly and Ethically the business we are involved in is structured and policed. Unfortunately, the 'Gentlemanly' standards of doing business in the past will probably never be reinstated as the correct and proper way to conduct business on the Internet.
Even so, I would hope and indeed expect that if we conducted a survey/poll amongst everyone involved in buying and selling products and business opportunities on the Internet, we would be given very strong backing to discuss, debate and create a set of standards for conducting business based on Honesty, Integrity and Transparency.
Misleading subject lines and untruthful promises are just the tip of the iceberg and I believe that many other practices, mostly committed by well off, established entrepreneurs confirms their Greed. We have all been victims - IT NEEDS TO STOP. We also need to regain the trust of the general public - they are the business owners and buyers of the future
Tom Meyers
June 6th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
Hi Stephanie,
Wow this subject is being talked about in forums blogs and twitter etc. It has me wondering if the end of email marketing is near. With open rates down for all what are we to do ?
It seems that most marketers are doing nothing more than playing a numbers game. They send out email after email on the same day doing nothing more than list swaps and product promotions.
Nothing of value is received after your initial sign up and, usually what you receive then is nothing but rehashed material.
Now the deceptive subject lines is just more numbers playing.
If your playing a numbers game can you really call yourself a marketer ?
Maybe it's just more evidence of moral decay but now that I know that that type of deception is against the can spam act I will start clicking the report as spam instead of the delete or unsubscribe.
Tom
James Elliott
June 6th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Hi Stephanie,
You've got commission (…when you don't) are sent to the spam folder by Aol and get deleted. Here are your order details (…when you haven't bought anything) are BS along with Hi James - RESPONSE REQUIRED (…when it's not an opt-in confirmation email) being the same BS. Another fad that is going around is the email swap.
I have a free gift for you. All you have to do is opt in to get it alond with the emails every day from that person. A lot of the free gifts I have had for a long time. I am on a lot of list. Foure addresses will cause that and some date back to 2008.
There are 13-14(there may be more because some of the first names are also for some also) people who left a comment who's list I am on. I would have to look but some of them could date back to the 2008's also.
No opt in on the subject line and I will open it. Woyr download details in the subject line it will depend on who it is from whether it gets opened. One that never misses in on sunday when it saies your free Sunday download is ready. Hey Zech Smith do you know anyone that might send something like that?
I definitely agree 120% with you on this issue. I don't open every email any more. I have learned whether they are ones I want to open or just another email swap list building email. I am getting off list that are of no value to me so I don't need to opt in to another list that will let me download the gift and then nothing but more opt in list building. I miss getting a lot because of that and I don't get things from people who's list I am allready on because their email swap partners are the ones sending the gift and the person who's gift it is never sends it to the ones on their list. I still get things From Zech and a few of the others I have been on their list for a long time.
Thanks for letting me sound off .
James
Jan
June 6th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
Hi Stephanie,
Email title deception is a pet hate of mine. A few months ago, I went through my emails and unsubscribed from anyone using this tactic. I even had a few from "billing" with the title "payment overdue". They got spammed as well as unsubscribed.
This last week or so has seen a new plague of lazy marketers using pathetic tricks to try to get the open rates up. In my mind, these people are not running a business; they are cheap salesmen out for a quick buck before moving on to the next trend. They don't even deserve my time to open the mails let alone my cash to buy.
Using these tactics ultimately harms their reputation and contributes to the overall jaded view of internet marketing being a hive of scam artists and conmen.
If, as marketers, you want me to read your mails, then make the subject something unique. Be upfront. Anyone who has opted in to lists in the IM niche KNOWS that you are ultimately selling something. Don't treat us like fools because you cannot be bothered to put in a little effort and be a bit more creative.
PMurphy
June 6th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Agree, this is the type of BS that makes me reply to the email to give them a big shout out. Liars, Liars, no honest people, the ones that send these types of email!!!!!!
Randy Koehler
June 6th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
Hi Steph, As others have already said, thank you for bring this matter to light. I must speak my mind here as well. I for one despise these tactics and have voiced my opinion to many. It not only is unethical and dishonest, but I believe it is hurting IM in general for all of us.
I truly believe that the few "bad apples" are actually beginning to make all of us look more like them in a sense simply because we are also IM'ers. In other words, many people will begin to think that every marketer must be somewhat deceptive somewhere in the fine print so to speak.
You know how people think in general about a used car salesman. They are all "cons" in some form. I truly hope that IM never gets to that point, but things seem to be headed in that direction as I see it.
Randy
Ron Barrett
June 6th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Stephanie,
Were you reading my last blog post?
You must have been because this is exactly what I wrote about.
I, like the others here, agree that this is totally wrong.
My take on it is that….well, you'll have to visit my blog
My next post is going to be on how, as marketers, we can fight this practice.
Keep up the good, ethical work.
James Cousineau
June 6th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
As you mentioned, Stephanie, if the subject line states "You have commission", well, I better have or that means instant unsubscribe or blacklist. Same goes for the other misleading subject lines. The ethics of such marketers appals me.
"Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me!"
I have unsubscribed from some well known marketers due to these tactics. Maybe they thought it was worth a try, but I am sure they lost many desired subscribers in the process. It also leaves a bad taste towards any further promotions I see with their name attached to it either as creator or affiliate/JV.
As a full-time online marketer I have no time for deceitful email marketing. Email management is no longer a 10 minute a day task - it is ongoing all day long in between tasks. Because of this my tolerance towards unethical marketing is minimal, if at all.
Unfortunately many don't care as they feel they will pick you up again later on during some other promotion - and they are probably right. Don't know how many times I've kicked myself after finding out I subscribed again to a marketer I never wanted to hear from again.
Many affiliate systems have such email copy available for affiliates marketing their products. When I see a good affiliate product that I signed up for and then see that their promotional banners and pre-made marketing emails are deceptive, I drop them - period. My name, my personal brand, and my reputation are dependent on what I recommend or represent.
Larry Ference
June 6th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Hi Stephanie:
Great post as usual! As soon as I see these 'nonsense' subject titles
I delete immediately. I know if I signed up, ordered or am an affiliate without someone trying to get me to open their email.
There're wasting their time and mine with their stupidities. I would call any of them liars to their face about getting more openings of emails.
That's my opinion!
Adelia Reid
June 6th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
I agree, Kudos for speaking up. I wish everyone would delete this spam
like behavior and restore some trust. Mine has been lost as a result.
Please tweet this again and perhaps many more will RT to send a clear
message. Thank you for YOUR good ethics.
Deborah
June 6th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
Thanks Stephanie. There is no point opening mails that have deceitful or trickish headlines. How can someone tells me I ve got commission when I did not sell anything? Marketers should desist from these time wasting and time consuming exercise. Without wasting any time, I delete such mails.
Rex
June 6th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Hello Stephanie. Thanks for raising this issue, which has been really rattling my cage for some time. I do sell things online, so I immediately unsubscribe from anyone who uses the fake 'commissions' or 'payment' headings, which I find the most irritating. I am thinking about doing the same for the false 'confirmation' variety now they are becoming so commonly used. It's difficult enough keeping control of incoming emails, without these stupid time-wasting intrusions by desperate 'marketers'.
Petra R
June 6th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Thanks for raising this issue Stephanie! As an internet marketer I would not dare send such misleading subject lines to my hard-earned list … and as a consumer of marketing products, I will generally unsubscribe from a list that uses such strategies.
I like to be treated with respect and these subject lines are sleazy!!
I hope that the rumble around the internet will get the message out to those marketers that are using this strategy. So, thanks again, eh?
It may work in the short term but I can't see people wanting to buy from marketers they can't trust. I wonder what their conversion rates were like?
Petra
P.S. I like your blog theme =)
Clyde
June 6th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
I agree. If it is misleading, I cannot trust that site.
Earl Netwal
June 6th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
You've hit a hot topic Stephanie, and I share your frustration. I do a lot of ad swaps, and pretty much feel obligated to go with my swap mates subject lines, but some of them get pretty old and in the long run lose their effectiveness. That said, its clear that some do work and that's the rub.
I won't allow the "congrats your commission", or anything marked "personal" or the "confirmation required" gambit. But these are only the worst of a whole breed of subjects that seem to game the system.
I respect Mike Paetzolds comments above about deleting them, and yet despite my overfull inbox, I like to keep people on my list so I can see what they are up to.
It saddens me to see some of our otherwise "better" marketers using these tactics.
Deoven Ariscon
June 6th, 2010 at 4:00 pm
You are absolutely right ! However, those resorting to email trickery may be unstoppable, but are taking a big big risk. They better make a good conversion rate on honest to goodness content or get unsubscribe.
I am just contemplating to start a successful internet marketing and honestly, I appreciate you very much having taken a bold stand.
Keep it up! And thanks so much for your invaluable emails and gifts every time.
You are a great family… May your tribe increase…!
Zulfikar
June 6th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
This kind of trickery has become such an annoyance opening my email client to say the least. Now adays to me such a headline/subject line reads as "Unsubscribe from my list" - and that is exactly what I do!
Its a shame most of the marketers are based ofshore from the UK, otherwise I would be tempted to take them to the Office Of Fair Trading and slap the trade description act on them.
If that didn't make it clear to all those marketers who use it, here it is again in plain English - "It does not increase your open rate in terms of conversion guys, it is so that we can get to the unsubscribe link"
Tara
June 6th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
Not only do I delete deceiving subject line emails, I unsubcribe from the list and sometimes report them as SPAM. idiots. It is amazing though the number of "big name" marketers who are resorting to this. It will not ultimately pay off.
Andrea
June 6th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
Stephanie, I usually do open your emails, because you DO provide value. I too head for the unsubscribe button, and where the option is available, I choose "unsubscribe from all lists", when I receive that type of email . I don't want to do business with marketers that do that, to me, and to others. Yes, they may get me to open that email, but they are closing the door on a possible future business relationship with me by using those tactics. If I had to venture a guess, I would think the increased open rate from this practice would include newbies that didn't realize until they opened the email they had been tricked.
Patrick
June 6th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
The Key to business is INTEGRITY. Business is about building trust and relationship. Thus using lies and trickery to get people to open email is simply not integrity. I am very frustrated with such subject line that I simply select them in bulk and delete them without even reading because why read from someone who has no integrity.
We are know that a lie is a lie; whether it is white or black. So a marketer who uses such tactics is unethical and should not be trusted. I am compiling a list of all marketers who sent such emails so that people can black-list them! Maybe that will helps to reduce this unethical tactics from building up into something worse than SPAM.
Rick Carter
June 6th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Stephanie,
I unsubscribe from those lists, no questions asked.
The other subject line I automatically unsubscribe from is “Notification of payment.”
You do seem to hold yourself to a higher ethical standard.
I have noticed some other marketers have similar high standards.
Maybe it’s time for an unofficial IM code of ethics?
Developed by the community - voluntarily signed on to by the rest of us
One standard: the marketer tells subscribers s/he is a signator and the subscriber can cry “foul”
Thanks for bringing this up
Rick Carter
STRESS JUDO
Marilyn R Williams
June 6th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
Stephanie - you must have been reading my mind - I have grown to HATE the emails with misleading subject lines! Most of them are deleted without being opened - now I believe I will open and unsubcribe.
I am sick of being sent countless promotions, as well!! Every day is too often to be sending out emails that are nothing but advertisements.
I am also sick of the emails that have no information just a "you got to see this" and a link inside - those are deleted and only rarely do I click on the link. Most of them are just another 'sign up to a mailing list' offer anyway.
There are still a few good offers being sent out - but those that are resorting to trickery are ruining it for everyone! It won't be long before the words Internet Marketer are used in place of several swear words!!
Don't give in - provide value and keep a list of loyal subscribers that will promote you in addition to valuing your resource.
Thank you for giving me a chance to vent
Irmgard
June 6th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
This mails are in my spam folder with yahoo, and I delete it without to open. I'm subscribed with IM, which not send with this subject line and I hope they stay with this what you wrote.
There are nothing for what I spent my time, if I'm not an affiliate, I can't earn commission, when I didn't play, I can't win something, point.
There are other methodes to pull-up the opening rate.
arnold r taylor
June 6th, 2010 at 5:12 pm
Hi Stephanie, yes those emails are a pain in the neck. I am just starting out on the internet & at first I thought they were real But I learned quickley they were not. In my book people that have to use tricks like that are no better than crooks & thieves. I also started unsubscribing them,, but now I think I will just send them back to the sender. Thank you.. Arnold
John
June 6th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
Thanks for this Stephanie. I'm what you might call a "soft sell" marketer, so to me any form of manipulation or deception is completely unacceptable. Whomever "tests" deceptive titles is nothing more than a liar in my book, and that's not far above a thief.. so I opt out immediately.
I've gotten to the point where I only stay subscribed to lists where I receive assistance and value in the content, and where I can clearly see that the person behind it is interested in my success and well being and not just my money.
Cheers!
Dean Mapa
June 6th, 2010 at 6:10 pm
I always receive email with deceiving subject lines such as you have mentioned. Once I wrote back to the writer that he had a deceiving subject line. He wrote back and told me to stop complaining and that he just unsubscribed me. He actually did me a favor.
Dniel
June 6th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
Hello:
I agree with you totally. I was just thinking about that same thing earlier today. I guess they are scared that the product won't stand up, so trickry is the next best thing.
They are also using:
RE; FWD; making like there is a response to a support ticket. Actually I am kinda new here and I am learning a lot of what not to do. I want my products to stand up and be counted. Watching them has also shown me what to do in my customer support - be honest. I may not have as much money, but I will sleep a lot better.
If you actually read these - please send me an email I would like to discuss an issue withy you. I don't want to just post it here.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Joe Jepsen
June 6th, 2010 at 6:17 pm
It does get me to open the emails.. so I can hit the unsubscribe link, and it is in violation of the can-spam act for sure!
I also hate the "here is your free download" emails, and you don't know what the download is until you click the link.. then 99% of the time I already have it or have no use for it.
Jim Austin
June 6th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
Stephanie, I agree with you 100%. I only open them is to unsubscribe
Joe
June 6th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Hi Steph,
Just the fact that I receive 150 to 200+ emails a day I base my decision on opening my email via the subject line. Too many of those questionable emails are either just deleted or unsubscribed if I am not familiar with the sender.
If its not important to me i'm not going to read it anyway. Those that I tolerate are from people that I have either received products from or that I respect. That's tenable it can change at any moment.
Joe M
Lisa Butcher
June 6th, 2010 at 7:26 pm
I couldn't agree more. I get an abundance of these emails and they are time consuming and unethical. I would not do business with someone who feels they have to lie and deceive to get my attention. I go for honesty and integrity however you choose to market. Thanks Stephanie.
Kent
June 6th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
i think people open them because they don't know who is sending them everything and can't keep track of what they are expecting. Simply too many people sending them stuff. Does the term JV mean anything??
Jeff Moreau
June 6th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
Hi Stephanie, I get them once in a while. I think that it is very misleading. They make it sound like there is sale made of some kind. In the e-mail they go on to say if you do this or follow this step and so on. I have either requested to be removed or I've blocked the e-mail. On e-mails from people that I would hold to a higher standard, I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt, but if it were to continue. Then enough is enough, you are gone.
Harry
June 6th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
Hi Stephanie,
As a relative "newbie" i've joined list after list and now there are quite a lot of marketer's out there using this technique, and after being caught out a few time's each 1 i get with those line's are instantly deleted.
But i'm glad to say there are still a damn site more out there including yourself who do not need to use this cheap tactic,
and i'd just like to say thank's for the great info you do provide, keep up the good work.
kind regards
Harry.
Venkat Murthy
June 6th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Hello Stephanie,
You have hit the nail on the head. Some of these headlines are frustrating. As some others have said, I also immediately delete them immediately. Pity some of the m are from the so called 'GURUS' AND MULTI MILLIONAIRES.
Further more what makes you really angry is they promise to lead you every step of the way (being rather unsuccessful so far) just vanish the moment you finish doing the buying. Immediately they become inaccessible.
More irritating is when they start off their emails with the line:
I know you opened this due to the heading. Yes I would also do that!!!
Thanks
Venkat
Jonathan Gunson
June 6th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
Stephanie
The only reason I open your emails is that they are from YOU.
T R U S T
The reason e-mail spammers ('internet marketers') use tricky headings is they know they don't have the trust of their subscribers, so constantly need to con them into opening e-mails.
The energy required to constantly con, lie, trick and fool people into this must be totally EXHAUSTING!
You, by contrast, are on my very small list of e-mails I trust and will open - you don't need tricky subject lines.
I might add that the majority of e-mails from 'big name' marketers get deleted instantly from my inbox because they invariably spew trash products.
Sadly they know that there's a sucker born every minute, so don't care. But the churn level on their lists must be extremely high. I'm slowly unsubscribing from them all.
Keep the truth flowing Stephanie.
Jonathan Gunson
Esdee Penn
June 6th, 2010 at 11:26 pm
I couldn't agree with you more! Agh - my first 'You've Just Made A Commission" fakery crushed me, as I was (and am) starting-out and earning very little. I find such tactics unethical, and I unsubscribe..
I've never been one to 'run with the herd' - and this is no exception. Cheers to all of you who stand on the side of scruples - refreshing, indeed..!
Nelson Tan
June 7th, 2010 at 12:05 am
Those culprit headlines are going straight to my spam folder in my Yahoo! mail by default. Moreover, as an Internet marketer for years, why would I resort to this kind of headline since my subscribers already know the way I write? Sorry to say they don't work, especially for mature readers, so "I won't join 'em". Thanks Stephanie.
Gary Simpson
June 7th, 2010 at 12:30 am
Hi Steph,
I believe a lot of this deception has been brought about by the rampant adswapping and the "I must grow my list no matter what I have to do" mentality.
I'm like everyone above - I detest deception and false headlines. You know I got into a lot of trouble from a certain person in our joint giveaway because that person was, in my opinion, deceptive. Not to mention a rude and abusive twit. So, I will NEVER deal with that person again no matter what.
Anyway, I think some of the more "junior" - if I can use the word - marketers out there see some of the more "experienced" ( I hazard to use that word) marketers out there doing this stuff and then everybody thinks it's OK. Quite simply, it isn't. But monkey see, monkey do. And then there is an across-the-board groundswell and tolerance of it, sadly.
Back to adswaps - when an adswap partner presents you with a deceptive subject line, poor adcopy and an even poorer offer then I think it is FAR WISER to decline the swap. That in itself invariably begs the question: "Why don't you want to swap with me?" And, if you tell them the truth then they get very offended. Well, I'd rather offend one person than say 1,000 or 5,000 or 10,000 or 20,000. But, having said that, there are also MANY subscribers who completely misread or misunderstand even the most innocent of emails and will send their abuse. It's an endless merry-go-round.
In the end just do unto others what you HOPE they will do unto you and pass on all those who do otherwise.
Regards
Gary Simpson
Jim
June 7th, 2010 at 1:40 am
It's funny that you bring this up. I keep moving a reminder to get off many mailing lists. Not only are they being deceitful just to get you to open them, but most of them are referring to the same program. I have my email go to my blackberry and it's going off all day and night. The ones that want me to watch a video might as well forget it, because I can't on the blackberry & don't really have the time to sit for an hour only to get a sales pitch.
It's information overload and I've spent a bundle on the big dogs of the internet marketing business and yet have little to show for it. Much of the same info I can get for free or think up myself. They always talk about coaching and yet to get a time arranged is hard enough and then you get a quick 20 minute session that doesn't do much.
Working alone is hard and there is a lot that I could do if I had the help to do the mundane tasks, but I can't afford it after spending so much on the big dog's programs.
With the times the way they are, everyone and their brother is out of work or trying to make ends meet. If all these people are so successful why do they have to keep pitching more products?
It's funny that even some of your people that have commented on this topic are some I am considering removing myself from their lists.
Building lists and having a niche is the two big things I see and yet the confusion of all the offers just make it harder.
The thing that bugs me and I just delete their emails is when the only give me a name and don't follow the rules on emailing, like giving some contact info. The other thing is my name is not {First Name} and that is an automatic delete in my books. Even the big guys do it from time to time.
You can't be in the business just to prey and suck people who need the help dry. That's why they have turned to the internet in the first place to make money. I'm sure there are little kids, firemen and ex-homeless that have made big bucks, but why is it so hard to make any money when you spend huge amounts of money and time to promote and use these systems?
I've invested too much and learned a lot over the last six years and now I am going to have to start pulling the plug on all these mailing lists. It's just too much!
Mark Sandquist
June 7th, 2010 at 1:49 am
Hi Stephanie,
Great post.
Although I (like you) have subscribers who would tar and feather me for resorting to such tactics.. that's not the reason I haven't "tested" this type of tactic.
The reason I don't use deceptive subject lines is because "it's just not right".
Those who do this will find that their open rates will fall again once their list becomes numb to these subject lines.
The reason these marketers have such terrible open rates (and they think they have to resort to such tactics) is because their subscribers have come to the conclusion that these marketers rarely have anything worth their time to read.. so they don't open their emails.
If they were "real" marketers.. they would test & develop subject lines that entice their readers to open and read without resorting to lying to them.
Obviously, they are just "hacks" and when all the "tricks" they use to evade doing actual "marketing" run out and/or stop working for them.. they will end up back at the counter asking.. "would you like fries with that"?..
Cheers,
Mark.
Glenn A. Dearie
June 7th, 2010 at 2:31 am
Thanks Stephanie! You're 100% right about those misleading e-mails! Also, I agree with Mike P., I have also begun to unsubscribe to these unscrupulous morons! That may seem to be a bit harsh, but to a newbie, that is ruthless! Especially since the few that I have opened, from marketers I did trust, were absolute garbage & a newbie might buy into.
In a way, I am new to the IM thing. I've been collecting advice, info and products over the last several years. I just, in the last month, hosted my first commercial blog. I found 2 personal one's that I never got going that I'm going to enlist in my new business. Therefore, I feel I can voice my opinion on this e-mail issue.
What has surprised me, as Mike P. mentioned, some of those e-mails were from better known marketers! As another of your quest posts said, "They are treating their list like an ATM!" Where is the respect?! Will the marketers using these tactics ever tell the truth about open rates to sales & unsubsribe rates?
Thanks Stephanie for bringing this issue to the table. You got me started! Now I think I'll go finish my tirade where I can really ramble on! Thanks again for being a little bit "Maverick"!
Glenn/GAD
Peter Tozer
June 7th, 2010 at 2:32 am
Hello Stephanie,
It's not good practice, and rarely pays, to cry Wolf!
What a coincidence that you should write this post.
It's a practice that I think should be avoided for fear of losing trust with subscribers.
I have been getting these emails more often lately and I do find them annoying.
The first time it happened I felt compelled to open the message; even though I couldn't think how the sender could be giving me something I hadn't signed up for.
Then, of course, I was annoyed.
The sender went down in my estimation and it felt like it was an act of desperation on their part.
But then I thought, am I missing something here; am I becoming and old fogey?
No.
It may have had some emails opened at first, but not any more.
I delete them straight away.
Your thoughts are spot-on and well done for raising the issue.
Let's hope the marketers who use this style of subject line trickery read your article and take note.
Best wishes
Peter
Oswald Rodrigues
June 7th, 2010 at 3:39 am
I'm dead against deceptive subject lines and instantly delete/unsubscribe if I receive such emails. However, I don't mind "clever" or humorous subject lines that have some relevance to the body text.
Paul McDonald
June 7th, 2010 at 4:51 am
I'm with you Stephanie…and as it seems, with most of the folks in here. I have to admit, I DO open these emails, but it's just to get at the unsubscribe link! I personally will not stoop to this level, nor will I send one of them to my readers. I want to people to look forward to my emails, without crude tactics. It seems to me that if your list trusts you, then you shouldn't have to use these tactics. If I can't succeed in IM by sticking to my morals, then I won't succeed. I am the one that I have to look at in the mirror each day…and at the end of that day, I know I didn't try to scam any of my valued subscribers.
Thanks for this Stephanie!
Mary
June 7th, 2010 at 5:10 am
I delete these as soon as I see them. I also am fed up with receiving emails from marketers saying that there is a free gift for me and if I go to the link I am required to input my email address, for another marketers newsletter to receive whatever the free gift was that they were giving me. I have even stopped filling out these forms.
Seldom do they send any newsletters past the first or second one that contains information that is useful. Instead my inbox is bombarded with sales pitch after sales pitch. I'm also fed up with the promise to "not sell" my email address because they "supposedly don't like spam".
Sad part is some of these deceiful emails are showing up from marketers that at one time or another I had trusted enough to purchase something from because I thought they were reputable. Once I started receiving these types of emails from them, I quit doing business with them.
Glad to know you are not following the "Herd" mentality!
Ken Seal
June 7th, 2010 at 6:34 am
Stephanie,
Let me join the chorus. I open to unsubscribe. I also unsubscribe when I get those "he made 250,000 in a month" emails.
I do not know if the statement is true or not. I just treat it as hype and let it go.
I do the same with those hype filled sales pages. I also try to avoid those incessant pop-ups with sales pages attached, usually with a better price. If the product could be sold at the lower price, say so on the first page, after you give me reasons to buy, other than how much money I can "make".
I also unsubscribe from those lists that present me with "free" offers constantly, and never give me any good information. I join a list to learn from the list owner. I expect to get information, not constant sales pitches, or "free" offers which are just JV or joint advertising.
While I have your ear, how about telling me what you are offering me for "free". Usually there is an offer and a link, and you have to take the time to go online and look to see what is being offered. You then find that the same offer has been made by 25 other marketers, you took up the first offer, and you have just wasted your time and money.
If I like the writer, such as yourself, I just delete the email. If the writer is iffy, I hit unsubscribe.
Chicanery in any form is unacceptable, and I run, do not walk, away from it instantly.
Ken Seal
Janice Stewart
June 7th, 2010 at 7:05 am
I get those emails and get so mad when I open it and there's no commision there. It is exactly like the one that one of those reunion sites send you. Title: " your ex has been searching for you". I actually email them and asked if they would change the wording of there title in there emails. My ex died last year and It pissed me off to see that title. I never did get a reply and they still use the subject line. They don't care, they just want the money is the way I look at it. There should be a law against putting fraudulent titles in emails about commision or anything else that is miss leading. Thanks for letting me vent. But nothing will change they will do it for the money anyways.
Leo Watson
June 7th, 2010 at 7:08 am
Stephanie,
I refuse to buy products from sellers who have deceptive RE lines. If I do open one and find the email deceptive I delete it.
On a more serious note, I am not sure that many marketers understand how serious the FTC is going to become in enforcing its new policy of Transparency. The Re lines not only violate of the old policy of honesty, but certainly violate the new policy of transparency. Minimum fine about $13K. Are deceptive lines worth the risk, especially of more buyer start taking advantage of the FTC's complaint line.
So if you want my business don't try to trick me, I might file a complaint.
Michael Holdcroft
June 7th, 2010 at 8:14 am
Yes, all those mails are being deleted and I am unsubscribing myself from the lists. It just wastes my time.
lou
June 7th, 2010 at 8:34 am
hi stephanie,
i've been trying to find a legitimate online business for awhile now, but without success. you are correct about the misleading and sneaky way these emails come through. i received one just this morning that i have a web site which i never had.
any help with a legitimate online business would be greatly appreciated.
thanks again,
lou
Jay Jenkins
June 7th, 2010 at 9:07 am
Hi Stephanie,
I was wondering when someone would get around to this topic. As not only an IMer, but a volunteer with my church and the local Sheriff's office, I really don't like the deception either.
It is very unfortunate that some of the biggest names in the industry, including some that, up till now, I've trusted with my time and money have thrown their hands up in the air and resorted to this way of marketing.
It's just plain wrong.
Thanks again for posting this. I'm sending my subscribers to this post today so that they, especially my "newbies", can read for themselves about this and take action.
Jay
Brenda Svoboda
June 7th, 2010 at 10:13 am
Hi Stephanie,
Glad I opened this one, and thanks for "outing" the new wave of hustlers. I've been unsubbing like crazy from lists (many were marketers I respected until the constant adswaps and deceptive subject lines). Nice to see comments here from people I still respect — especially the Whacky Gals!
I'd like to add to my list of peeves the multiple mailings from the same marketers (having server problems…just wanted to make sure you got this). Also, whereas I fully understand using "canned" affiliate emails, if someone is asking me to spend a shitload of money (and I certainly have in my day) it would be nice to receive a uniquely written promo.
Cheers,
Brenda
Jill Mitchell
June 7th, 2010 at 10:16 am
I totally agree with Ken Seal and thank you Stephanie for having the courage to ask how we feel.
Jill
Laurie
June 7th, 2010 at 11:11 am
Hi Stephanie,
I absolutely agree with you. Not only do I not open e-mails with misleading subject lines…I also just delete those with nonsensical subject lines that don't tell me what the content is about. I may miss out on some good information that way, but if someone can't communicate in the subject line, I figure they won't communicate well in the body either.
I appreciate your integrity and the valuable info you provide.
Kind regards,
Laurie
Gandalf the Geru
June 7th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Right on Stephanie!
I'm with you all the way. With 700 such spammy emails in my Inbox every morning, I don't give them the time of day!
But hours are wasted in unsubcribing.
I agree with all.
Duncan Judson
June 7th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Hello,
I recently posted an article on my blog regarding some of the same feelings. I believe subject lines are not supposed to mislead readers.
I have suggested in my article that if people do not like the behavior to opt out of the list. Integrity must be upheld in Internet Emailing, if not you can not trust the person sending the emails.
Duncan Judson
Robin aka Empowerment Diva
June 7th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Well good for you Stephanie… Bravo!! And all that good stuff. It may be working to get the emails opened, however, is that the only goal? Have they tested how many unsusbscribes resulted from using this tactic and even more than that, what about being authentic? If this is part of your branding (being authentic) you are not succeeding and if you could care less about being authentic and being perceived as such , keep going for those great open rates. I am not fond of this at all and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Actually if I had high esteem for someone before, when they resort to this my respect decreases a bit. Thanks again for a great post Stephanie and being authentic.
Robin
The Dynamite "Authentic Life" Empowerment
Mentor,Coach, Trainer and Public Speaker
alex alaska p
June 7th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
hi steph,
i was going to create blog entirely dedicated to "misleading" email headers and you beat me to it. (sort of
personally, it's a bit annoying to see marketers/gurus of all types using this strategy. in my case, it's a minor annoyance. i've pretty much seen all of them, so what do i do when come across one nowadays? i IGNORE opening them, REGARDLESS of who the marketer SLASH guru who created it. That's one customer lost.
In the long run, you will lose customers, subscribers, what have you. why? because everybody and their mother will be using these "techniques" and WE WILL ALL BE ANNOYED FROM EVERY OPENING ANOTHER HEADER OF THIS TYPE AGAIN!
morally, it's not honest, it's not subtle and it's not very smart. a con man would be embarrassed to try this. i'm embarrassed seeing marketers use this!
but that's just me.
You've no doubt, heard the saying- "fool me once, shame on me, …"
alex alaska p
Sharyn
June 7th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
Hi Stephanie,
Thanks for bringing this up. When I first saw them, I checked them out — not wanting to miss out on an opportunity and all. But every time I felt a little bit cheated. I understand the concept and if they test well. . .
For my part though, I've completed the stage of deleting-without-reading. Now I stop — one last time — to unsubscribe. If the only way this sender can interest me is by deceiving me, I just don't want to hear anything they have to say.
Thank you.
Jamie
June 7th, 2010 at 6:25 pm
I hate marketers who use Re: in autoresponders when its not a reply,
stevieod
June 8th, 2010 at 12:22 am
This is one of the most dispicable things I've seen internet marketers do. Let's get real here, 'misleading' headlines are really just lies. Damned lies.
It's hard enough for honest and ethical marketers to make sales without these scumbags making it all the harder for us. I really hope that the people who posted here are really who they say are, as I'm on a few of their lists.
I'm hoping that a movement can be started within the ranks of internet marketers to cleanup our collective acts, before government steps in.
As you know, when government steps in, we ALL lose!
stevieod
P.S. for the men, I question your manhood if you have to stoop to lieing to get customers.
Gloria
June 8th, 2010 at 1:02 am
I simply do NOT open these unless I have a feeling of trust and sincerity towards the senders. I have been s l o w l y watching . . .studying . . .this 'internet marketing' creature and its habits and habitats for 6 years now. A HUGE learning curve and time frame . . . despite the long time, I am glad that I did it this way. I "get it" now, but like yourself I feel that honesty and integrity are tantamount. Only now will I go forward with my endeavors.
I have been "cleaning up" the lists I subscribe to, and keeping only those that I feel/think will bring mutual benefit. Thank you so much for addressing this!
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Ian Brodie
June 8th, 2010 at 5:54 am
Personally I hate this stuff too.
The first time you get one of these "you have commission" emails they can maybe get away with it if the body is charming and well written. Do it more than once (or be the 2nd or 3rd person who I get an email from doing it) and I'm unsubscribing.
It's not wholly black or white though. In the world of direct mail, "disguising" your promotional insert as a mini magazine is a very effective tactic. And the original essence of a long copy sales letter was that it didn't look like an advert - it passed under the radar. The same is true with blog entries that promote things - they don't raise our "they're trying to sell me something" defences.
In those cases though, the promotional mini-magazines I've seen that work well really do add value - they're full of useful ideas and articles. The same with long sales letters or blog posts. And they're not claiming too much and building up your hopes to get you to read. By having a non-advert format they're saying "reading this will have value for you" and they deliver on that. An email subject line which says "you have commissions" is promising something it doesn't deliver.
Just to be slightly provocative - I noticed that when I came to your blog, a little pop-up thing appeared with a message from you. The pop up thing was designed to look like a facebook message. Now that's not in the same league as "you have commissions" - but don't you think it's a little misleading? it's not a facebook message (it fooled me for a few seconds though). You can do a popup message without it looking facebooky.
Ian
Ian Brodie
June 8th, 2010 at 6:20 am
Jamie,
I'm not sure using "Re: nnn" is really trickery.
Using Re: as a subject line long predates email - it goes back to hand written letters. It just means that the letter/email is regarding something specific they then mention. I certainly don't read it as an attempt to fool us into thinking it's a reply. But maybe that's because I'm onld and long predate email myself.
Ian
Jeff Sargent
June 8th, 2010 at 8:07 am
Hi Stephanie,
I totally agree and can't stand these subject lines which I believe are unethical and annoying. These same marketers are always preaching about how important it is to gain the trust of your subscribers. Are you kidding me? You send me an email telling me I've received a commission when I haven't and that's supposed to gain my trust.
I've done some adswaps where I was sent the email copy to use and they had these questionable subject lines in them and I refused to send it that way and it caused some tension between myself and my adswap partner.
You make mention that the marketers using these tactics are claiming better open rates and their subscribers are not complaining. I don't believe it. I don't doubt the fact that their open rates have increased but what about the click through rate. My guess is that once they've found out they've been deceived into opening an email under false pretenses that most of them are deleting it or unsubscribing. People are far to busy these days to take time to complain about these emails and it's just much faster and easier to delete them.
At first when marketers started using these practices I must admit I opened those emails but now that I've seen so many and know what they are I just delete them without opening.
Bottom line is that if I have to resort to this type of marketing then maybe it's not for me. If I can't make a buck by being honest then I guess I'll just have to find another way to make money.
Later,
Jeff Sargent
Kat Milner
June 8th, 2010 at 11:53 am
Hey Stephanie,
You've brought down a firestorm here, and it's about time, too! Deleting is too good for these chunks of spam; unsubscribe and report them!
Other deceptive subject lines that deserve the stake are "Confirmation required" (when you haven't subscribed to anything) and "Thank you; here's your download" (when you haven't requested one). The ad swaps are silly, as well as annoying; too many of these "friends" are marketing to overlapping lists.
Kathe and Denise may be right; "younger" marketers may be the most common offenders; but some well known and long-established names show up way too often. Literally. I've started unsubscribing from lists that invade my inbox three, four, even five times a day. (It's just amazing how many marketers suspect their email may not be sending properly!)
Now, if someone would just send me a gift that is NOT free— that might really be worth something!
~ Kat
Sylvia
June 8th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
Stephanie,
What a refreshing email! Like you I throw out emails that state "Commissioned Earned" etc. I know the sites that I should be earning income from and they don't send out such emails. I do believe that others are getting better rates using these tactics, the first time. However, I think that in the long run its costly because people will unsubscribe as a result of this junk.
Thanks, for the bright spot in my day.
Sue
June 8th, 2010 at 4:01 pm
What an amazing list!! I recognize several people where I am on their list, too (hello to all of you, too!)
I think you are right on the money. Beyond - as some have stated - deception and legality is the idea that if you are that desperate for people to open your emails, you are not offering the quality that would make it an automatic response in the first place.
Steph - one of the reasons I open your emails (apart from all the things I learn either directly or through your links) is that you share YOU. There is a PERSONAL relationship, even though we don't know each other or hang out. I worried for you when the pipes broke, I shared the frustration as you went through the insurance hassles - and I've enjoyed the happier posts, too - like Christmas and such.
I unsub after I get a second email like those you mention - its ok to try out once I guess. The second time I will either unsub.
On one of my addresses I have "incredimail" which has a "bounce" feature where I can click and it will bounce the email and any future ones go directly to the deleted folder. I used it once - but then figured that is being as dishonest as the people I did it to…. Most of them, I actually signed up for, so why stoop to their level when letting them go? I now reserve it for REAL spam (viagra et al).
Roger - can I ask you a very serious question??
WHY would you continue to do something - anything - when you admit it bothers you? Are those numbers really all that exceptional - especially considering that some of those "opens" have led to unsubs?
Please reconsider - I'm sure there are plenty of things that could upset you without doing it to yourself and your fans!
Sue
coty
June 8th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
Hey Steph,
thankx for a great post.
As a fairly new marketing person, a year and a half into this I am disenchanted at what is happening as far as email marketing. I am a writer, I write copy and ebooks, some PLR material some total original.
I believe a lot of this type of marketing comes from ad swapping. which I distain. I do not ad swap and if some one sends me emails showing that to be their marketing trend they are gone. In order to get that ad swapping some of the new marketers are resorting to sending deseptive emails.
I was in the financial world for fifteen years and my clients then and now are gold. I will not practice anything to decieve them and to try to get them to open emails. If my relationship and rep is not good with my clients then I need to change how I do things and that means honesty.
I will never give the name and email of my clients to any one nor will I let anyone mail to my clients. Tell me this, with the amount of programs out there that don't do the newbies right, why should I put my clients in a position of buying worthless pieces of crap.
Either I use the product or I write and produce the product and I stand behind that product if you would like to see what I mean then head over to one of my new sites and read the copy and I am not saying buy the product just read the copy of my page and judge for yourself if you feel I value my customers and clients. By the way I wrote the copy not some ghost writer.
thankx for your time http://ModificationRescueOrRipOff.com
Coty
Neville
June 9th, 2010 at 2:13 am
Hi Stephanie,
I too get a lot of these types of emails, and like most people above who's replies I have read ( sorry I haven't got time to read them all), I simply delete them, that is why I don't know if anyone has mentioned this point earlier, to my mind as these subject lines are misleading should they not be covered by the new FTC rules, if not they should be, because as I understand them anything in an email that is misleading or untrue is in breach of those rules and therefore must attract the appropriate penalties as described in those rules for passing untrue information by means of all forms of advertising.
these types of tactics give online marketing a bad name, especially if you are a newbie and you continuously get kicked in the guts with this false hope that you have made your first successful step in making a difference in your life.
to any marketer that first sale is the apex of their time and effort and is a much waited for, wanted and deserved high.
This tactic should be reported to the FTC.
Sorry about the bit of a ramble.
Cheers.
Jim
June 10th, 2010 at 5:43 am
Once again I had to chime in. It's midnight on a work night and I have to be up early. I look forward to getting work done in the early evening and weekends. when allowed. With two laptops and a Blackberry tied to my email, I can filter some on one laptop, but it takes forever on the Blackberry and I don't seem to hardly get to email on the other laptop.
I know there are answers, info and replies that I do want, but emails that have subjects that mimic a possibly important email are a waste of my time. I am to the point of just deleting them right away as they come in on the Blackberry and then find little time to ever get back to them on the laptop and of course they all require immediate responses before being taken down.
There have been some with good writing skills that get me to open their email only to find it's the same offer ten others have already put out.
I also have a pet peeve and costly about joining a program and instead of what I expect are mentors calling me, as I give up a day waiting, they turn out to be sales people wanting to move you to another level or part of the original program that you paid for and still don't have running.
The sales people seem to track you just fine. Why can't a customer service or mentor do the same to get you up and running. It's nice to have the money and nicer yet to share it through purchases or to help others, but you have to have a real product of value and the internet is getting over run with people marketing the same thing over.
Wish I had more solutions than complaints!
Chris Sieveking
June 10th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
Hello Stephanie,
As a relative Newbie in the Market place it has been fascinating seeing the reaction to your post - I was wondering about these tactics arriving in my inbox, now unsubscribe, but this does take time.
It strikes me that the only way to get a genuine responsive list is to have your own product which hopefully some people will want - am I being naive? As originally an offline business advisor (across the pond in the UK) I am finding it quite difficult to grasp the nuances of marketing online.
Certainly I enjoy few of the e-mails which arrive in my inbox, yours and a Gentleman by the name of Tellman Knudson are always worthwhile for content and the occasional chuckle - thank you for the heads-up that the practice is illegal according to the FTC - keep up the good work
Regards
ChrisS
Jim Hall
June 11th, 2010 at 11:37 am
I just can't get away from this subject. I have multiple email accounts and probably 8 that come to my Blackberry with one of them forwarding any of my emails. So my Blackberry is going all the time, especially during auto-responder time.
I'm to the point of not only cleaning the list down, but if the subject line isn't talking about the letter and I see that after opening one email I will take them off my list. The freebies are good and helpful, but they seem to multiply new emailers like rabbits.
And again, many are illegal both in subject tied to content and an unsubscribe method, many just want to get you email back and know your there and then they hit you twice as hard.
Some plain, clean and honest marketing can create a lot of loyal followers.
Hilary Dickinson
June 11th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
Hi Steph
When I first started out online and I was only subscribed to a few lists I used to open and read every one. Now I have a couple of hundred a day I open my inbox, mark all, then scan down to see which emails I might want to read. I unmark them and delete the rest. It now gives me so much more time. I can done so much more with it than being treated as someone who doesn't know what is going on…
I am a reasonably intelligent person - please don't try to insult me, I'm just not interested.
Hilary
Lucia Kleiman
June 12th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Hi Stephanie,
I started doing this about a year ago and I too opened all the emails that I was subscripted too. Now I have so many that I need to weed some of them out. Talk about the power of intention of wanting to learn more. Unfortunately, I don't have time for crazy subject lines which I use my gut instinct to just delete if it sounds crazy. I thank you for bringing this to all our attention and wish you the very best.
Jim
June 13th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
Me again and I have started to clean out my subscriptions since most of it is for the same products being sold by too many other experienced and unexperienced people.
What irks me is after unsubscribing, I still get emails from even some of the top marketers. I realize it may take some time to get the unsubcribe to take place, but many that use reputable auto responders it should be pretty much automatic.
It's too bad because I probably miss some good stuff because I am so busy cleaning out emails. Plus maybe I could use that time to build my business.
Joshua
June 15th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
Hello Stephanie
I have one email for all IM lists I'm on ( a whole lot). I use this to
a) study what people are doing
b) see who warrants being moved to my main email inbox
c) and I have to admit it, I'm one of those dreaded freebie seekers all the gurus tell you to avoid after telling you to give away free stuff (of course I but stuff too)
I rarely unsubscribe and I open those decietful emails to find out what they are doing, why would this work, why are they so desperate, is what they are offering so valuable that lying can be forgiven.
I think that the marketers who use them don't really get Branding. People may open their emails, click their links and even buy some stuff, but I'm willing to bet the products bought are all front-end offers.
People using these headlines aren't seen as trusted advisers, they're seen as hustlers.
Truth be told, we all by somethings from hustlers because of the convenience, we need it or we just plain got fooled.
These marketers are slowly (or fastly) shrinking their backend profits.
Of course they can make money, that's what hustlers do, but I suspect that the real money, the long money and the easy money, that comes with being a trusted adviser (as Jay Abraham says) will elude them.
They are dooming themselves to being a replaceable commodity, struggling for the front-end crumbs. The people who do buy will eventually become annoyed and leave or stop opening the emails.
Gail Boyes
August 25th, 2010 at 7:43 pm
I am angered by marketers that use these misleading email subject lines which trick you into reading them. If I don't recognize the sender I usually hit spam which I don't really like doing. I prefer to give the sender a chance.